Extra dimensions in physics and Christianity.

First my comments to “Why are extra dimensions possible”, on Fermilab:

Quantum effect on the macroscopic level: Free will.

The «Many Universe Theory» and the «Many Worlds Theory» is like extra dimensions on the macroscopic level, right?

If we use the quantum mechanics on the macroscopic level it becomes absurd. That’s the point with Schrødinger’s cat and the many world theory seems more absurd. Schrødinger’s cat is an experiment we can imagine, but we are not able to do it. There are experiments that show quantum effect on the macroscopic level, that’s how we know it, like the doble slit experiment. Bell’s theorem can be shown by three polarizing filters, it’s very fascinating. The conclusion is that quantum mechanics is complete.

But what about life? Animals. Humans. What about our free will? Many educated people think of it in two ways, somehow you have a free will, somehow not, with regards to their theories and then it seems like the question is if it is consistent with their theories. Then it may turn out like the traditional question, is there something wrong with you or with their theories?

The square of a wave-function may have two peaks A and B, where it is likely that the particle may be. But it can’t be in the middle between A and B. If it was like this on the macroscopic level, when you want to travel from A1 to B1 and back, suddenly you are at A1 then on B1 and the on A1, but in the meanwhile you were not in the middle between A1 and B1. In the many world theory you are both in A1 and B1 at the same time, but it has become different worlds, when you mean you are in A1, you are also in B1 but are not quite aware of it. When you mean you are in B1, you also are in A1, but you are not aware of it.

But is this the way quantum mechanics is shown on macroscopic level?

What if you imagine that you are the elementary particle? You refer to the wave function and obeys it, you can be in A or B and it is more like you are in both A and B at the same time. An interaction from the macroscopic level is like when somebody open the box and looked at the cat. But at the microscopic level there must have been another elementary particle with its wavefunction that interacts with your wavefunction. Then you made a choice, let’s say A.

So how could this quantum effect possibly be shown at the macroscopic level? That we are free to choose!

Of course we have a free will and in my opinion it is not very fruitful to discuss it. But what is fruitful is to learn to know what are the good choices. Then the many world theory may be interesting as a theory, but in the way that at the very present time we can choose between different world to go in to. And the valuable point to you is that you can make a god choice to get a good future.

Send information to the past to determine the future.

In the “DelayedDelayed Choice Quantum Eraser Experiment” they observed a photon from the side? How? By splitting it in two entangeled photons and using one of them as an info-photon. It has a longer way to go, but what happens to it determines what happend to the other in the past. This is quantum effect on the macroscopic level.

Let’s imagine a spaceship, “Voyager X”a day of light  away. It has crew and apparatus to do “Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser Experiment”. So do we, but we send the info photons to them and they send the info photons to us. They can choose whether they want to let the info-photon give them information about what column it went through or not. When they get the information, we don’t get diffraction. When they don’t get it, we get diffraction. That’s how we can send a signal to them, too. We send signal as diffraction, a short signal, for example, half a second, means 0, a long signal, for example, 2 second, means  1 . Then we send messages in the two-digit system, in the machine language of a computer. We send the 7  winning numbers in “the Lottery” just as it happend, they get them a day earlier and send them back to us, so we get them two days earlier. We fill out our lottery coupon and hand it in. Then we’ll win the first prize. That’s now apparently how this will work. This is quite OK to us.

But let’s imagine that a man cuts off his thumbs on a saw. Then we send the message the same way, so they get to know it a day earlier and we get to know it two days earlier. Then we warn him and he decides not to use a saw for three days, so he avoids the accident. He is free to choose it and so he does.

Do we then change the history? Will it be another world according to the “Many World’s theory? I don’t believe that. But what’s wrong here?

Consciousness and wave-function.

When educated people are asked what is consciousness, many start to talk about what we what we experience through our senses. We get information about the world around us through our senses, then it must be by the collapse of the wave-function, at least in our senses. An elementary particle has a wave-function all the time, this collapse means that it just gets a new form and that does not take any time. It also means that it makes a choice that we could not predict. Our central nerve system gets information coded by neurons and hormones and responses by giving information and instructions coded similarly. Much of this happens without us being aware of it. The activity in the cerebellum is rather automatic, even though we are aware of it, like walking and go by bicycle. But in the cerebrum we think and talk before making decisions on what to do. The information is coded by particles, then we can equally as well say that it is coded by the wave-function of the particles. So maybe our thoughts are coded by the wave-function or it is the wave-function? Likely it is as we receive and send information. But our thinking is not restricted to this. Can it be wave-functions that does not collapse and/or something deeper hidden? As the most highly developed species that rules the world, we can’t look around to get a sufficient self-understanding to fill that position, we simply need to believe that God created us in his image. Humans turned away from him and made gods of sticks and stone, like pictures and sculptures of humans and animals. But that didn’t give them the self-understanding they needed, they just degenerated to something lower.

God’s eternal heaven is extra dimensions to us.

According to the Bible God was in his eternal heaven before time started. The Big Bang theory also says that time started, the time-room started to expand. Then God in his heaven comes in addition to these 3-4 dimensions and still is not so fare away. Humans lived in society with him, but got some stupid ideas that made them hide from him with bad conscience, so they were excluded from the near society with him.

Later when God in his eternal heaven came near to them, it seems like extra dimensions. An angel that looked like ordinary people came to them but disappeared as if going into another dimension that is not available to us. God moved someone from one place to another, as if through another dimension.

Once God let the shadow on a sundial go ten steps back (Isaiah.38,8). This is hard to understand or believe. But it seems like God put them back in time. But how not meet themselves the first time they existed in that time? Maybe he put them forward to the next day instead? Else it must have been a different space-time for those he moved back in time, so for them it became a different world, like in the May Worlds Theory.

Three people God took away from the earth, Enoch, the prophet Eliah and then Jesus. When he rose from the dead it seems like he moved through extra dimensions and so he did when he was taken up to heaven. His disciples looked at him until he disappeared, but continued to look up that way. Then two angles was there and told them that Jesus should come back the same way as he went up to heaven. But when Jesus gave them the mission order, he told them that they should see that he is with them every day. How? He had promised to send them the Holy Spirit and it reveals him for us. By faith Jesus we experience that he gives us spirit and life from heaven, so the eternity is in our hearts. Then we have extra dimensions.


My comments to “Would Multiple Universe Theory Undermine God”, on “Closer to truth”:

God’s eternal heaven is like extra dimensions to us.

Physicians talk about extra dimensions that might be curled up at in the scale of elementary particles, for example when they talk about the fundamental forces. But the “Many Universe Theory” and the “Many Worlds Theory” are in fact extra dimensions at the macroscopic level. It is just theory that they can’t experience, so it is not science, but nature philosophy.

According to the Bible God was in his eternal heaven before time started. The Big Bang theory also says that time started, the time-room started to expand. Then God in his heaven comes in addition to these 3-4 dimensions and still is not so fare away. Humans lived in society with him, but got some stupid ideas that made them hide from him with bad conscience, so they were excluded from the near society with him.

Later when God in his eternal heaven came near to them, it seems like extra dimensions. An angel that looked like ordinary people came to them but disappeared as if going into another dimension that is not available to us. God moved someone from one place to another, as if through another dimension.

Once God let the shadow on a sundial go ten steps back (Isaiah.38,8). This is hard to understand or believe. But it seems like God put them back in time. But how not meet themselves the first time they existed in that time? Maybe he put them forward to the next day instead? Else it must have been a different space-time for those he moved back in time, so for them it became a different world, like in the May Worlds Theory.

Three people God took away from the earth, Enoch, the prophet Eliah and then Jesus. When he rose from the dead it seems like he moved through extra dimensions and so he did when he was taken up to heaven. His disciples looked at him until he disappeared, but continued to look up that way. Then two angles were there and told them that Jesus should come back the same way as he went up to heaven. But when Jesus gave them the mission order, he told them that they should see that he is with them every day. How? He had promised to send them the Holy Spirit and it reveals him for us. By faith Jesus we experience that he gives us spirit and life from heaven, so the eternity is in our hearts. When Jesus makes his Churches alive like this, he does miracles through it like he did when he was here on earth. It shows that we have such extra dimensions, we experience it. The gospel about Jesus is the way to get it, he is the way to our heavenly Father.

So if physicians would like to experience it, so that it is not only theory to them, I recommend them to try this method, you’re welcome to try it together with us.

How to experience extra dimenisons?

The «Many Universe Theory» and the «Many Worlds Theory» is like extra dimensions on the macroscopic level, right?

If we use the quantum mechanics on the macroscopic level it becomes absurd. That’s the point with Schrødinger’s cat and the Many World Theory seems more absurd. Schrødinger’s cat is an experiment we can imagine, but we are not able to do it. There are experiments that show quantum effect on the macroscopic level, that’s how we know it, like the doble slit experiment. Bell’s theorem can be shown by three polarizing filters, it’s very fascinating. The conclusion is that quantum mechanics is complete.

But what about life? Animals. Humans. What about our free will? Many educated people think of it in two ways, somehow you have a free will, somehow not, with regards to their theories and then it seems like the question is if it is consistent with their theories. Then it may turn out like the traditional question, is there something wrong with you or with their theories?

The square of a wave-function may have two peaks A and B, where it is likely that the particle may be. But it can’t be in the middle between A and B. If it was like this on the macroscopic level, when you want to travel from A1 to B1 and back, suddenly you are at A1 then on B1 and the on A1, but in the meanwhile you were not in the middle between A1 and B1. In the many world theory you are both in A1 and B1 at the same time, but it has become different worlds, when you mean you are in A1, you are also in B1 but are not quite aware of it. When you mean you are in B1, you also are in A1, but you are not aware of it.

But is this the way quantum mechanics is shown on macroscopic level?

What if you imagine that you are the elementary particle? You refer to the wave function and obeys it, you can be in A or B and it is more like you are in both A and B at the same time. An interaction from the macroscopic level is like when somebody open the box and looked at the cat. But at the microscopic level there must have been another elementary particle with its wavefunction that interacts with your wavefunction. Then you made a choice, let’s say A.

So how could this quantum effect possibly be shown at the macroscopic level? That we are free to choose!

Of course we have a free will and in my opinion it is not very fruitful to discuss it. But what is fruitful is to learn to know what are the good choices. Then the many world theory may be interesting as a theory, but in the way that at the very present time we can choose between different world to go in to. And the valuable point to you is that you can make a god choice to get a good future.

God is almighty and good, he created something good and he saw that it was good (Genesis1). He still create and makes good choices. He has showed that Jesus is his only (firstborn) Son, he is his chosen one. If we also choose him, we also make a good choice.

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